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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:16 am

Hi all,

I jsut went on beginner only to find the teams stacked and cowardly team mates joining the other side because they were being bonmbarded left right & center.

If I was new, there is no way on earth I would play on this server. And even being a long time player I couldn't stand that bs so I left.

I know you like to give players freedom but this takes the piss imo.

Anyways, doubt you will see me there now unless it gets balanced. It's not fair on new players regardless of how I feel.

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Re: make beginner balanced

Post by Guest on Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:06 pm

actually, we have tons of newbies that come and go, and i could say that they are the ones unevening the teams when that comes... they all go to the team where a FBY is....

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Post by Valkyr on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:05 pm

Well, while it could be argued that it is fair to balance teams. The general consensus is, we do not do it. Players will make their own choices for good or ill without our intervention. If obit wanted teams balanced he only needs to check a box in the server config and it would force them to be. The chaos this creates is a big part of the fun for many players . Let it be so. piratafrocherrysantacheers
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Post by Valkyr on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:07 pm

By the way, G, How is your injury?. All healed up?
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Re: make beginner balanced

Post by obituary on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:17 pm

It's much fairer than forcing people to stay on a team where they are getting slaughtered. It only takes one skilled player on the server to totally camp the other team with our weapons. People like to be able to change teams when they want.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:07 am

I have read much about the unforced teams and I can and do understand why but yet I find myself recalling being mortared non stop right at the door in gold rush, or panzared becaused the rest of the team was respawning and there was no defence, or the enemy running in freely to our spawn because of the above 2 instances happening. There is absolutely no chance of game play against this. No tactical solution.

I've been the victuim of spawnkillers before many times and also the abuser of it but nothing compares to what I endured yesterday. Really pissed me off. And if I felt like that then I doubt many new players would stick around either.

So....here's a possible solution that wouldn't require you to change your rule regarding balanced teams and one that might resolve the problem I am speaking about.

I remember playing a gold rush map that had been modded.
There were other spawn points available and thus meant it was more balanced if you will. Other places to jump too like ledges of the crawl space above the southern? axis spawn.

Is this an option you can consider Obi?


And thankyou Valkry, yeah it's a lot better. The end of me finger is pretty mukch dead but has healed well considering I dropped a small iron girder on it. Nice of you to ask.

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Post by Friedrich on Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:46 am

Switch teams and kill the bots if you are all alone and spawn trapped.

Another spawn will just be another target to camp if you are outnumbered by real people.
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Post by obituary on Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:44 am

>>>G<<< wrote:I have read much about the unforced teams and I can and do understand why but yet I find myself recalling being mortared non stop right at the door in gold rush, or panzared becaused the rest of the team was respawning and there was no defence, or the enemy running in freely to our spawn because of the above 2 instances happening. There is absolutely no chance of game play against this. No tactical solution.

I've been the victuim of spawnkillers before many times and also the abuser of it but nothing compares to what I endured yesterday. Really pissed me off. And if I felt like that then I doubt many new players would stick around either.

So....here's a possible solution that wouldn't require you to change your rule regarding balanced teams and one that might resolve the problem I am speaking about.

I remember playing a gold rush map that had been modded.
There were other spawn points available and thus meant it was more balanced if you will. Other places to jump too like ledges of the crawl space above the southern? axis spawn.

Is this an option you can consider Obi?

That map you are talking about is called goldrush_gals and yes I have it and we can run it. It is a good map actually.

When I connect and see everyone on one team it actually makes me smile. I always join the empty team and go slaughter the campers. I sneak up behind the mortars and stab them. I throw knives at the guy standing on the ledge with the panzer. I gun down the arty camper who is looking through his binoculars and can't see me coming at him from the left or right side.

We have a three second spawn protection so you can get out of the spawn. Three seconds is enough time to get out of the way.

I have read this exact same complaint on old clans' forums which were not even running any modified weapons. Back then there were too many people using the FG-42 and it wasn't fair to the victims. So the admins reduced the number of covert ops slots. Then there were too many people using the rifle grenade launcher and it wasn't fair to the new players who kept getting blown up by the grenades. So then the admins reduced the number of rifle grenades. and reduced the speed at which it could launch grenades.

So the engineer rifle was not fun anymore for the campers, and they stopped using that gun too. Then the campers switched en masse to playing rambo medics and shooting up adrenaline and healing themselves after every kill. Then the whiny victims start complaining that there were too many medics, so the admins reduced the number of medic slots available.

So when you connected, you saw all these restrictions and none of the heavy weapons were available because every one of them was abused. And people stopped sticking around, and then everyone started playing on the "new" server they started, which didn't have all those restrictions (which was set up for the people who were complaining that they could never get any good guns).

This experience was one of the reasons I set this server up actually, to let people use whatever weapon they wanted, and not be coerced into playing a certain way to make the least skilled players happy.

If you are a skilled player, you should have no trouble getting out of spawn and hunting the campers.

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Re: make beginner balanced

Post by Kyubi on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:18 am

>>>G<<< I can sympathize with you, I really can. We were all noobs at one point, but now we're not. I can handle 1 vs 5 on beginner depending on the players, and I'm only getting better. But we aren't noobs in terms of knowing the game ether. Example: Noob comes in and it's his fifth time playing, see the teams are stack and he obviously joins the bigger team. But what that noob doesn't know, it that later on the teams will even out dramatically, or even do a total 180.
I've seen people join the team I'm on when it's 2 vs 7, and then it gets uneven so sometimes I switch.

But here's the real kicker >>>G<<<. You can choose any team you want! Very Happy But even better, there are 2 other servers! Just disconnect and see how flight school is doing and go back in ten minutes, I do that alot. If you don't want to disconnect, go to spec and pretend to do admin stuff. But if obit comes on make sure your workin >.>

But seriously, team stacking happens almost every night; and yet it never lasts. If you seriously get so ticked off you want to break your screen over stacked teams...exit the game and take a half hour nap. Seriously.

And yes obit, when I see an empty team. I smile too. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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